gjoe
10-08 05:12 PM
No one is saying people are cutting the line. Most of us are saying USCIS is not processing cases on FIFO. Either you don't know the fact that USCIS approves cases in whatever order they are doing now or you are just pretending to be ignorant of the fact.
I don't know for whatever reason you don't see the fact what people are talking about here, but I don't blame you. If what people want here doesn't suit our case we may not like it. But please, just trying to beat around the bush is not going to help anyone here for that matter not just me alone.
You suggestion of sending flowers seems like that is the only solution to all the problems. I would say the reversal of the July 2 visa bulletine didn't just happen because of the flowers the members sent, the law suit AILA wanted to file against USCIS was one of the major reason apart from the California's Lawmakers letter. So please don't try to cut peoples idea by trying to belittle them, if you don't agree with them it is ok, if everyone agreed on the same thing life will be so dull.
gjoe/and others,
No one's trying to cut the line here. If there's any, it's purely procedural and has nothing to do with 'Ending Retrogression'. With or without retrogression someone might get an RFE, get stuck in namecheck etc. Ending retrogression provides earlier PDs better chances of getting GC faster (if dates are 'C' you get it the month you clear RFE, Name check etc.)
Just posting here isn't helping you cause. Instead you guys can get together and start sending flowers to USCIS director requesting him to publish the complete list of GC applications approved every year. It's the first step in enforcing FIFO. Right now there is no such list and no way of knowing who got their GC out of turn. And while you guys are at it also send some flowers to FBI to clear Namechecks FIFO, to DOL to approve PERM petitions FIFO etc.
Go spend those $50 at Flowers.com folks. Start writing to Senators, collect money, do the lobbying etc. Who's stopping you?
Or do you want logiclife, pappu and rest of the IV core to do it PRO BONO for you?
I don't know for whatever reason you don't see the fact what people are talking about here, but I don't blame you. If what people want here doesn't suit our case we may not like it. But please, just trying to beat around the bush is not going to help anyone here for that matter not just me alone.
You suggestion of sending flowers seems like that is the only solution to all the problems. I would say the reversal of the July 2 visa bulletine didn't just happen because of the flowers the members sent, the law suit AILA wanted to file against USCIS was one of the major reason apart from the California's Lawmakers letter. So please don't try to cut peoples idea by trying to belittle them, if you don't agree with them it is ok, if everyone agreed on the same thing life will be so dull.
gjoe/and others,
No one's trying to cut the line here. If there's any, it's purely procedural and has nothing to do with 'Ending Retrogression'. With or without retrogression someone might get an RFE, get stuck in namecheck etc. Ending retrogression provides earlier PDs better chances of getting GC faster (if dates are 'C' you get it the month you clear RFE, Name check etc.)
Just posting here isn't helping you cause. Instead you guys can get together and start sending flowers to USCIS director requesting him to publish the complete list of GC applications approved every year. It's the first step in enforcing FIFO. Right now there is no such list and no way of knowing who got their GC out of turn. And while you guys are at it also send some flowers to FBI to clear Namechecks FIFO, to DOL to approve PERM petitions FIFO etc.
Go spend those $50 at Flowers.com folks. Start writing to Senators, collect money, do the lobbying etc. Who's stopping you?
Or do you want logiclife, pappu and rest of the IV core to do it PRO BONO for you?
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joydiptac
07-22 02:09 PM
Even If this happens, it will not help EB3I because then the spill over will be shared by all countries in EB3. Then there will not be any option left both for EB2 and EB3. Now atleast there is an option for some EB3 folks to move to EB2.
Don't worry EB2 Dude! Nothing is going to happen. You will still enjoy the enhanced status that you currently have. The EB3 folks like myself have far too much lethargy/timidness to do anything. The fact that they are still in EB3 after so many years is proof of that. :D
Don't worry EB2 Dude! Nothing is going to happen. You will still enjoy the enhanced status that you currently have. The EB3 folks like myself have far too much lethargy/timidness to do anything. The fact that they are still in EB3 after so many years is proof of that. :D
Amitdon
08-31 11:55 AM
Can someone guide to start new thread ?
I know this is wrong thread but I need to ask somewhere.
I know this is wrong thread but I need to ask somewhere.
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09-15 04:55 PM
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dontcareanymore
07-28 01:37 AM
Sorry if I am dashing the hopes of some and sound too pessimistic , but I think I have the right to be one , and this is what I feel where we are headed:
1) Historically EB2 and Eb1 has the advantage over EB3. You may argue on the merits but it is the fact. It may be news for the folks who got in to the queue recently , but that is generally a trend except recent past. So there is no use in getting mad that EB2 are GC before EB3. But at the same time I don't accept arguments from some EB2s that EB2s are smarter than EB3 and have the right to get GC at least 6 years ahead of EB3. Like every thing else in this unfair process , you are at the right place at the right time and you get it. Be happy for that. If you can't understand the frustration of some Eb3s, the minimum you could do is not show off. If some one has been around for a while and seen this process they would not be either surprised or jealous about EB2's current status.
2) It is sad to see this infighting. We are in a GC quagmire and there are no better solutions and most people are really frustrated and you can see that in the discussions. I see that the interest from active people in waning and probably justifiably so. You can see a pattern of decreasing interest from the peek (Jul last ear) . Most people are happy with EAD and Ac21 and some of the active folks got their GCs. Some of the most vocal, visible people on the forum has changed their tune soon after the last bulletin , just because their PD is current. It changes from "we all are in this together" to "You are on your own". Good luck to people in the queue to convince your brothers to be with you , if and when you walk the streets of DC :) :). They are at the doorsteps of being PR and are in a different group. If some of the posts are any indication, They think they are entitled to look down on you.
3) There was a post a while ago asking whether the core group is wasting their time. Most of the time I agree. Most of us here are just for our selfish sake , despite what most preach about cause , justice , fairness , principles etc. Some to go the extent of comparing this with great fights in their home country. It is far from it. Just one air GYGC.
4) we started loosing the unity the moment we forgot our main objective. "All immigrants are in this together" and this is not country specific. Instead of fighting together with others to capture lost visa numbers and exempt family members from the quota , we tried to snatch some numbers from our friends (ROW).(Not that I believe we could get the visa recapture this year) Now we are further divided between EB2I and EB3I with the same argument. I can give you another example of selfishness. Now that these guys have EAD and AP, they don't want concurrent filing , don't want premium processing for 140. Don't want any one else interfile with EB2. Just process my application without an interruption :):). I don't care if others done even get their H1 extended or get EAD. Where we are headed with this approach ?
What do we have in store :
Just hope the stars align for you and one day you will get yours. It will happen even if it takes 10 years. Live with it because you chose it.
Don't loose sleep over some one else getting GC ahead of you. Try to live your life.
Do what ever you can to better the situation. It depends on what you believe.
If you have 10 people with you in the struggle , don't count on them to be with you tomorrow.
if you are pissed off about some thing, went it by non-violent method. feels good. Blog , watch a comedy movie or do some thing that relaxes you.
Don't be surprised if your hopes are dashed.
At the end of the day getting GC is not indicative of your education, experience,capacity , knowledge , wisdom , usefulness to this country or the other way round. "GC is just what you have, not what you are ".
I must have ruffled some feathers. If your feathers are ruffled , please see my handle. :):)
1) Historically EB2 and Eb1 has the advantage over EB3. You may argue on the merits but it is the fact. It may be news for the folks who got in to the queue recently , but that is generally a trend except recent past. So there is no use in getting mad that EB2 are GC before EB3. But at the same time I don't accept arguments from some EB2s that EB2s are smarter than EB3 and have the right to get GC at least 6 years ahead of EB3. Like every thing else in this unfair process , you are at the right place at the right time and you get it. Be happy for that. If you can't understand the frustration of some Eb3s, the minimum you could do is not show off. If some one has been around for a while and seen this process they would not be either surprised or jealous about EB2's current status.
2) It is sad to see this infighting. We are in a GC quagmire and there are no better solutions and most people are really frustrated and you can see that in the discussions. I see that the interest from active people in waning and probably justifiably so. You can see a pattern of decreasing interest from the peek (Jul last ear) . Most people are happy with EAD and Ac21 and some of the active folks got their GCs. Some of the most vocal, visible people on the forum has changed their tune soon after the last bulletin , just because their PD is current. It changes from "we all are in this together" to "You are on your own". Good luck to people in the queue to convince your brothers to be with you , if and when you walk the streets of DC :) :). They are at the doorsteps of being PR and are in a different group. If some of the posts are any indication, They think they are entitled to look down on you.
3) There was a post a while ago asking whether the core group is wasting their time. Most of the time I agree. Most of us here are just for our selfish sake , despite what most preach about cause , justice , fairness , principles etc. Some to go the extent of comparing this with great fights in their home country. It is far from it. Just one air GYGC.
4) we started loosing the unity the moment we forgot our main objective. "All immigrants are in this together" and this is not country specific. Instead of fighting together with others to capture lost visa numbers and exempt family members from the quota , we tried to snatch some numbers from our friends (ROW).(Not that I believe we could get the visa recapture this year) Now we are further divided between EB2I and EB3I with the same argument. I can give you another example of selfishness. Now that these guys have EAD and AP, they don't want concurrent filing , don't want premium processing for 140. Don't want any one else interfile with EB2. Just process my application without an interruption :):). I don't care if others done even get their H1 extended or get EAD. Where we are headed with this approach ?
What do we have in store :
Just hope the stars align for you and one day you will get yours. It will happen even if it takes 10 years. Live with it because you chose it.
Don't loose sleep over some one else getting GC ahead of you. Try to live your life.
Do what ever you can to better the situation. It depends on what you believe.
If you have 10 people with you in the struggle , don't count on them to be with you tomorrow.
if you are pissed off about some thing, went it by non-violent method. feels good. Blog , watch a comedy movie or do some thing that relaxes you.
Don't be surprised if your hopes are dashed.
At the end of the day getting GC is not indicative of your education, experience,capacity , knowledge , wisdom , usefulness to this country or the other way round. "GC is just what you have, not what you are ".
I must have ruffled some feathers. If your feathers are ruffled , please see my handle. :):)
Suva
08-13 11:40 AM
If it's a july filler then there is a chance of getting rejected because it reached there on June 30.
Hi all,
Our papers were mailed on 29th june 2007 by overnight mail and reached USCIS(Nebraska) on 30th june 2007.
EB3,priority date
vaishu
Hi all,
Our papers were mailed on 29th june 2007 by overnight mail and reached USCIS(Nebraska) on 30th june 2007.
EB3,priority date
vaishu
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dpp
07-28 03:09 PM
As far i know in the whole world, nobody thinks about the group unless it is beneficial to himself(herself) first. This is natural human mentality, there is nothing wrong in it. Only exception is "Saints". I don't think we are Saints.
The visecral reaction to my thread (not threat!) has only gone to prove my hypothesis - self interest is the ONLY binding factor amongst 'highly skilled' workers
No one can claim to be 'superior' by virtue of their EB classification and take refuge under the current system by preaching that "it is what it is, you accepted it, so play by it!". What a sudden love fest for a system that you cared to fix not too long ago? So, what changed? The sudden realization that there are a few erudite and vocal EB3 I's that can speak their mind and ask the difficult questions?!
Willwin is a rare gem that could see the point in my earlier thread ... Others, my post is not 'ugly', it is the reflection that you see when I hold a mirror up to you. Dont like it? Dont blame me.
Others are scared sh*it that the real deal will be revealed. Just goes to prove that if the current system goes to serve YOUR narrow self interest, you will go to no end to justify it AND defend it... even at the cost of creating deep divides amongst a larger group. Suddenly, your sense of outrage has been channeled against EB3 I's seeking a voice and not against the 'system' that you claimed to care fixing. Nice. A chameleon would be proud to welcome you to the family.
Dont worry. Sleep easy, no one is going to call Ron or a shrink. I have exposed the duplicity that defines your being ... and you can rest easy knowing that your sense of 'logical reasoning and moral outrage' cannot stand scrutiny on a simple b-board, let alone a court of law ...
Lets get together to help fix this problem. Let EB3 I's find their voice and make the appeals that they need to. They DO NOT need the approval or outrage of EB2's trying to protect their new found turf. Get the drift?
Many EB3 I's have waited 5+ years in dead end jobs and possibly single incomes only to see EB2 come hither and walk easy. No jealousy or blame. Just the hard question to those that holler back "dont complaint EB2 was meant to be a higher category" ... want to respond to a "higher calling" ... i.e., holding up your petitions to objective scrutiny not prejudiced by narrow goals?
After all, one would find that MOST work done by EB2 I's does not really require a Masters degree. Just ask a high school Java whizkid.
I rest my case and will not waste my time responding to emotional outbursts or getting dragged into the cesspit of poor logic. Got it?
Peace!
The visecral reaction to my thread (not threat!) has only gone to prove my hypothesis - self interest is the ONLY binding factor amongst 'highly skilled' workers
No one can claim to be 'superior' by virtue of their EB classification and take refuge under the current system by preaching that "it is what it is, you accepted it, so play by it!". What a sudden love fest for a system that you cared to fix not too long ago? So, what changed? The sudden realization that there are a few erudite and vocal EB3 I's that can speak their mind and ask the difficult questions?!
Willwin is a rare gem that could see the point in my earlier thread ... Others, my post is not 'ugly', it is the reflection that you see when I hold a mirror up to you. Dont like it? Dont blame me.
Others are scared sh*it that the real deal will be revealed. Just goes to prove that if the current system goes to serve YOUR narrow self interest, you will go to no end to justify it AND defend it... even at the cost of creating deep divides amongst a larger group. Suddenly, your sense of outrage has been channeled against EB3 I's seeking a voice and not against the 'system' that you claimed to care fixing. Nice. A chameleon would be proud to welcome you to the family.
Dont worry. Sleep easy, no one is going to call Ron or a shrink. I have exposed the duplicity that defines your being ... and you can rest easy knowing that your sense of 'logical reasoning and moral outrage' cannot stand scrutiny on a simple b-board, let alone a court of law ...
Lets get together to help fix this problem. Let EB3 I's find their voice and make the appeals that they need to. They DO NOT need the approval or outrage of EB2's trying to protect their new found turf. Get the drift?
Many EB3 I's have waited 5+ years in dead end jobs and possibly single incomes only to see EB2 come hither and walk easy. No jealousy or blame. Just the hard question to those that holler back "dont complaint EB2 was meant to be a higher category" ... want to respond to a "higher calling" ... i.e., holding up your petitions to objective scrutiny not prejudiced by narrow goals?
After all, one would find that MOST work done by EB2 I's does not really require a Masters degree. Just ask a high school Java whizkid.
I rest my case and will not waste my time responding to emotional outbursts or getting dragged into the cesspit of poor logic. Got it?
Peace!
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shantak
02-03 05:23 PM
I have been waiting for the FP in the hope that they will be issuing it soon, its already Feb and I have not received it yet. Im the only one who has not recieved the notice yet in my friends circle, I have opened an SR last week. Mine is TSC application. Are there any TSC guys yet to receive the FP notices. Overall are there a significant number of people still waiting or is it just a few of us
Thanks
Thanks
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desi3933
06-26 02:01 PM
EEO does not protect immigration status based discrimination. However Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 does protect against discrimination based on immigration status.
https://www.oig.lsc.gov/legis/irca86.htm
SEC. 102. UNFAIR IMMIGRATION-RELATED EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES.
Could you please show us, where in the link you provided, H-1B applicant needs to treated equally for job hiring as compared to GC and EAD workers.
EOE deals with equality (i.e. equal opportunities) for hiring, job promotion, and firing.
IRC Act 1985 deals with unlawful employment of aliens, unfair immigration-related employment practices, and fraud & misuse of certain immigration-related documents.
Two different things.
However, once H-1B applicant is hired, he/she is protected just like any other worker, for job promotions, training, and other work conditions. But employer is under no obligation to extend H-1B beyond any initial H-1B petition date. And, yes, H-1B can also be fired at will*, just like any other worker.
_________________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
https://www.oig.lsc.gov/legis/irca86.htm
SEC. 102. UNFAIR IMMIGRATION-RELATED EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES.
Could you please show us, where in the link you provided, H-1B applicant needs to treated equally for job hiring as compared to GC and EAD workers.
EOE deals with equality (i.e. equal opportunities) for hiring, job promotion, and firing.
IRC Act 1985 deals with unlawful employment of aliens, unfair immigration-related employment practices, and fraud & misuse of certain immigration-related documents.
Two different things.
However, once H-1B applicant is hired, he/she is protected just like any other worker, for job promotions, training, and other work conditions. But employer is under no obligation to extend H-1B beyond any initial H-1B petition date. And, yes, H-1B can also be fired at will*, just like any other worker.
_________________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
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GC_Applicant
07-20 03:21 PM
Anzeeraja,
Thanks for the initiative. I like the poll idea.
Let the thread continue until Monday evening. Meanwhile let us add a poll asking the members in this thread to vote and then decide on Monday evening. Meanwhile the drive will continue.
Options might be
I donated towards reimbursement and that is where i would like to see it going. If not i will withdraw my pledge.
I don't care and will stand by the pledge.
Whichever thought prevails as the most valued opinion , we will go with that. Any thoughts ???
Thanks for the initiative. I like the poll idea.
Let the thread continue until Monday evening. Meanwhile let us add a poll asking the members in this thread to vote and then decide on Monday evening. Meanwhile the drive will continue.
Options might be
I donated towards reimbursement and that is where i would like to see it going. If not i will withdraw my pledge.
I don't care and will stand by the pledge.
Whichever thought prevails as the most valued opinion , we will go with that. Any thoughts ???
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Lasantha
07-05 10:55 AM
hate to be so ignorant but what does Gandhigiri mean? I assume it's something Indain. Can you tell us non-indians what that it. (Anything to do with Mahatma?)
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amitjoey
05-23 01:42 PM
Sorry Guys........wrongly posted my 'called senators' in this thread.
Thanks Amit.
No problem.
Thanks Amit.
No problem.
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glus
08-26 12:33 PM
I am in exact same situation too. The notice date for EAD renewal is July 7th, 2008. I-485 pending at NSC and EAD applied at TSC. Still waiting. I am current as my PD is EB-2 India 9/2004.
Same with me. 485 pending at NSC, EAD pending at TSC - as per instructions in I765. NO Luds, just silence.
Same with me. 485 pending at NSC, EAD pending at TSC - as per instructions in I765. NO Luds, just silence.
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SivaMayam
08-14 09:02 AM
Dear Friends,
I would greatly appreiciate if you all would be kind enough to include the service center which issued the receipts along the filing date in your postings.
Thanks
~S
I would greatly appreiciate if you all would be kind enough to include the service center which issued the receipts along the filing date in your postings.
Thanks
~S
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narendery
08-18 12:18 PM
My husband also got welcome e-mail mentioning about ADIT processing but when he received his card there was no information regarding ADIT processing, should we do anything about it? We have no clue, please help!!!
Thanks,
Mita
When did you receive email and when did you receive your card ?
Thanks,
Mita
When did you receive email and when did you receive your card ?
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rayen
07-21 01:31 PM
EAD - Paper filed
Filled on June 30th
Receipt Date July 8st.
LUD on July 11th
Thanks.
Filled on June 30th
Receipt Date July 8st.
LUD on July 11th
Thanks.
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gccovet
08-05 12:40 PM
gccovet,
Was it a random lud ?
Did you have any pending applications like EAD/AP ?
What date did it happen ?
my EAD is still pending. but no lud on EAD cases. just a soft LUD on I-140 on 7/13. Very wired !!
GCCovet
Was it a random lud ?
Did you have any pending applications like EAD/AP ?
What date did it happen ?
my EAD is still pending. but no lud on EAD cases. just a soft LUD on I-140 on 7/13. Very wired !!
GCCovet
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dreamworld
12-13 04:42 PM
I am July Filer too I have not received evn a single receipt for anything. I called USCIS they said it is taking from 90 to 120 days so wait and call.
I had long dely in gettting my 485/EAD/AP receipts from USCIS and I wrote to my local congressman. It really worked and got the receipt numbers from congressman office.
Try to write to your local congressman and explain your situation in one page and give them your package tracking information.
I had long dely in gettting my 485/EAD/AP receipts from USCIS and I wrote to my local congressman. It really worked and got the receipt numbers from congressman office.
Try to write to your local congressman and explain your situation in one page and give them your package tracking information.
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12-16 01:55 PM
Thank you all for your wonderful responses, I am overwhelmed by the feedback. Some of you have posted such detailed things and personal information, for which I am very grateful. I intend to print out the thread and keep it on my desk for instant inspiration :)
Matthew Oh has summarised the predicament of folks in a situation such as mine:
12/16/2007: India EB-2 Retrogression for Two Years and 2002 and 2001 Priority Date Applications
Traditionally, the legacy INS and USCIS have been exercising its discretion more or less expediting those cases whose visa numbers would be retrogressed substantially to relieve them from the hardship. We have no information available about the number of Indian EB-2 cases with the priority dates between January 2002 and January 2000. These cases are available for adjudication in December 2007. These cases could have been those received approval of the traditional labor certification cases which were approved before October 1, 2007 by the DOL Backlog Elimination Centers. Unfortunately, the huge retrogression will occur during the nation's most celebrated year-end holiday period when the working days and adjudication resources will be very limited. We trust that the USCIS leaders are and will be doing everything possible to adjudicate these Indian cases before the end of the year.
Matthew Oh has summarised the predicament of folks in a situation such as mine:
12/16/2007: India EB-2 Retrogression for Two Years and 2002 and 2001 Priority Date Applications
Traditionally, the legacy INS and USCIS have been exercising its discretion more or less expediting those cases whose visa numbers would be retrogressed substantially to relieve them from the hardship. We have no information available about the number of Indian EB-2 cases with the priority dates between January 2002 and January 2000. These cases are available for adjudication in December 2007. These cases could have been those received approval of the traditional labor certification cases which were approved before October 1, 2007 by the DOL Backlog Elimination Centers. Unfortunately, the huge retrogression will occur during the nation's most celebrated year-end holiday period when the working days and adjudication resources will be very limited. We trust that the USCIS leaders are and will be doing everything possible to adjudicate these Indian cases before the end of the year.
go_guy123
05-31 11:18 AM
I have already given up my Canada Dreams...spent close toa $1000 on it...down the drain...
i didnt get it why ....giben up...u get that fats n about 1 year from BUffalo
i didnt get it why ....giben up...u get that fats n about 1 year from BUffalo
rajeshraipv
12-16 12:55 PM
caveat - you teach best what you most need to learn (richard bach?)
We'll find other things to worry about after the GC. However, I think a focus on learning/self improvement, health (exercise and meditation should go a long way..although i haven't really spent as much time as i should on this) and most importantly on financial objectives should help.
Most of us are here to secure our financial futures. Focus on good investing practices, learning how to invest both your money and in yourself. The worst thing we can do is to be paralyzed in thought and action by USCIS processes.
again....you teach best what you.....
We'll find other things to worry about after the GC. However, I think a focus on learning/self improvement, health (exercise and meditation should go a long way..although i haven't really spent as much time as i should on this) and most importantly on financial objectives should help.
Most of us are here to secure our financial futures. Focus on good investing practices, learning how to invest both your money and in yourself. The worst thing we can do is to be paralyzed in thought and action by USCIS processes.
again....you teach best what you.....
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